Comments on: Oracle Cloud Computing and the CFO’s Dilemma http://blog.cloudnavatar.com/platform/oracle-cloud-computing-and-the-cfos-dilemma/ salesforce.com blog. Force.com blog. Cloud Computing blog. Financial CRM blog. Fri, 23 Jul 2010 22:08:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Taylor (Proformative) http://blog.cloudnavatar.com/platform/oracle-cloud-computing-and-the-cfos-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-1788 Taylor (Proformative) Fri, 23 Jul 2010 22:08:56 +0000 http://blog.cloudnavatar.com/?p=362#comment-1788 Proformative, the resource for corporate finance, accounting, and treasury professionals, recently began hosting Cloud Computing webinars that have been saved as podcast/white paper resources on its website covering topics ranging from Risk and Control Consideration in Moving to the Cloud to Managing the Legal Risks of Cloud Computing. For access to these valuable resources, please visit http://www.proformative.com/og/cloud-computing-saas. Taylor (Proformative) Proformative, the resource for corporate finance, accounting, and treasury professionals, recently began hosting Cloud Computing webinars that have been saved as podcast/white paper resources on its website covering topics ranging from Risk and Control Consideration in Moving to the Cloud to Managing the Legal Risks of Cloud Computing. For access to these valuable resources, please visit http://www.proformative.com/og/cloud-computing-saas.

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]]> By: Bruce http://blog.cloudnavatar.com/platform/oracle-cloud-computing-and-the-cfos-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-1024 Bruce Wed, 19 May 2010 16:25:40 +0000 http://blog.cloudnavatar.com/?p=362#comment-1024 One way to look at it is that Oracle is just covering its flank. They have certainly already made a lot of revenue for 10 years on Cloud Computing. To Olak's point, reference SFDC, Netsuite, Google, etc, all built on Oracle technologies to one degree or another. I have heard SFDC referred to as Oracle's largest reseller more than once. If you think about it, it makes sense. In the last three SaaS offerings in which I have been involved, Oracle was a critical (as a database) was a critical component. I actually think that it is what separates the men from the boys in the marketplace; companies built on a LAMP stack aren't taken as seriously. Oracle already offers the Oracle SaaS Platform and will discount heavily or offer financing (the equivalent of monthly pricing) to those fledgling companies who can't ante up for big Cap-ex licensees early on. Subscription base is just a logical next step. I have looked into this option a number of times and at this juncture it is effectively a teaser. There are strict qualification guidelines and an expectation of a traditional license commitment in short order. My feeling is that this is an interim step toward a real subscription pricing model. Safra knows its coming, but its baby steps first. In terms of offering their own multi-tenant environment, there is ample evidence to believe that it already exists at Oracle.com as an option to those who would prefer a Cloud delivery over onPremise. One way to look at it is that Oracle is just covering its flank. They have certainly already made a lot of revenue for 10 years on Cloud Computing. To Olak’s point, reference SFDC, Netsuite, Google, etc, all built on Oracle technologies to one degree or another. I have heard SFDC referred to as Oracle’s largest reseller more than once. If you think about it, it makes sense.

In the last three SaaS offerings in which I have been involved, Oracle was a critical (as a database) was a critical component. I actually think that it is what separates the men from the boys in the marketplace; companies built on a LAMP stack aren’t taken as seriously. Oracle already offers the Oracle SaaS Platform and will discount heavily or offer financing (the equivalent of monthly pricing) to those fledgling companies who can’t ante up for big Cap-ex licensees early on. Subscription base is just a logical next step.

I have looked into this option a number of times and at this juncture it is effectively a teaser. There are strict qualification guidelines and an expectation of a traditional license commitment in short order. My feeling is that this is an interim step toward a real subscription pricing model. Safra knows its coming, but its baby steps first.

In terms of offering their own multi-tenant environment, there is ample evidence to believe that it already exists at Oracle.com as an option to those who would prefer a Cloud delivery over onPremise.

]]> By: Pradeep Bhatnagar http://blog.cloudnavatar.com/platform/oracle-cloud-computing-and-the-cfos-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-792 Pradeep Bhatnagar Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:54:28 +0000 http://blog.cloudnavatar.com/?p=362#comment-792 Simon, Add http://feeds.feedburner.com/cloudnavatar to your Google Reader. You can also subscribe to the feed by clicking subscribe link provided on the blog. Thanks Simon,

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]]> By: Simon Slade http://blog.cloudnavatar.com/platform/oracle-cloud-computing-and-the-cfos-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-760 Simon Slade Fri, 02 Apr 2010 07:28:27 +0000 http://blog.cloudnavatar.com/?p=362#comment-760 Thanks for the post, much enjoyed! Do you have an RSS feed I can add to my Google Reader please? Thanks for the post, much enjoyed! Do you have an RSS feed I can add to my Google Reader please?

]]> By: Jenine Aycock http://blog.cloudnavatar.com/platform/oracle-cloud-computing-and-the-cfos-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-677 Jenine Aycock Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:28:40 +0000 http://blog.cloudnavatar.com/?p=362#comment-677 <strong>Good Site on Cloud Computing and SaaS</strong> - We are periodically looking for good blog information related to SaaS. Will be back to review more information on your blog. Keep up the great work! <strong>Thanks</strong> Good Site on Cloud Computing and SaaS – We are periodically looking for good blog information
related to SaaS. Will be back to review more information on your blog.

Keep up the great work!

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]]> By: Alok Misra http://blog.cloudnavatar.com/platform/oracle-cloud-computing-and-the-cfos-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-46 Alok Misra Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:14:16 +0000 http://blog.cloudnavatar.com/?p=362#comment-46 Ravichandran, To answer your question, multi-tenant vendors don't charge for each Oracle database license or connection. Everything from Oracle is at the backend and completely invisible to the end customer/user. It's similar to eating at a restaurant, where one doesn't pay for each ingredient that goes into the dish, but rather for the entire dish. It seems from your comments and well as Rob's, that the reseller channel has worked well for Oracle. salesforce.com, Netsuite and SAP, all powered by Oracle, are key industry players. It also seems that Larry Ellison is becoming more amenable to resellers (which is a new, but welcome development) - as a matter of fact, Marc Benioff, salesforce.com Chairman, is now scheduled to be the keynote speaker at Oracle OpenWorld next week. I do think that this can be a winning strategy. It allows Oracle to stay away from doing things they're not good at, while tapping their resellers for expansion in that area. Thoughts? Ravichandran,

To answer your question, multi-tenant vendors don’t charge for each Oracle database license or connection. Everything from Oracle is at the backend and completely invisible to the end customer/user. It’s similar to eating at a restaurant, where one doesn’t pay for each ingredient that goes into the dish, but rather for the entire dish.

It seems from your comments and well as Rob’s, that the reseller channel has worked well for Oracle. salesforce.com, Netsuite and SAP, all powered by Oracle, are key industry players. It also seems that Larry Ellison is becoming more amenable to resellers (which is a new, but welcome development) – as a matter of fact, Marc Benioff, salesforce.com Chairman, is now scheduled to be the keynote speaker at Oracle OpenWorld next week.

I do think that this can be a winning strategy. It allows Oracle to stay away from doing things they’re not good at, while tapping their resellers for expansion in that area. Thoughts?

]]> By: Ravichandran http://blog.cloudnavatar.com/platform/oracle-cloud-computing-and-the-cfos-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-45 Ravichandran Fri, 09 Oct 2009 22:58:52 +0000 http://blog.cloudnavatar.com/?p=362#comment-45 Let us look at each of the issues. Oracle Technology as the under pinning of the cloud. Well, it is a established fact that Oracle Database powers the NetSuite and Salesforce.com. Now we don't know the licensing model for that. Does every multi-tenant user pays for Oracle database license or every database connection gets charged. Whichever you look at it the pricing will be very different from the single tenant model (where Oracle pegs the license to the end user/device--(aside they had been charging for connection based pricing and got taken to cleaners by SAP). Now the question is how long IBM is going be sitting on the sidelines with their DB2 and watching Oracle database as the defacto data store. My guess is not long!. Coming over to the Oracle Application side of business (E-Business Suite) becoming multi-tenant. Not going to happen any time soon. Just look at the disaster they have on their hands with R12 upgrade (change of Set of Books to Org centric architecture). Let us look at each of the issues.
Oracle Technology as the under pinning of the cloud. Well, it is a established fact that Oracle Database powers the NetSuite and Salesforce.com. Now we don’t know the licensing model for that. Does every multi-tenant user pays for Oracle database license or every database connection gets charged. Whichever you look at it the pricing will be very different from the single tenant model (where Oracle pegs the license to the end user/device–(aside they had been charging for connection based pricing and got taken to cleaners by SAP).

Now the question is how long IBM is going be sitting on the sidelines with their DB2 and watching Oracle database as the defacto data store. My guess is not long!.

Coming over to the Oracle Application side of business (E-Business Suite) becoming multi-tenant. Not going to happen any time soon. Just look at the disaster they have on their hands with R12 upgrade (change of Set of Books to Org centric architecture).

]]> By: Rob Brown http://blog.cloudnavatar.com/platform/oracle-cloud-computing-and-the-cfos-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-44 Rob Brown Mon, 05 Oct 2009 07:02:54 +0000 http://blog.cloudnavatar.com/?p=362#comment-44 One way to look at it is that Oracle is just covering its flank. They have certainly already made a lot of revenue for 10 years on Cloud Computing. To Olak's point, reference SFDC, Netsuite, Google, etc, all built on Oracle technologies to one degree or another. I have heard SFDC referred to as Oracle's largest reseller more than once. If you think about it, it makes sense. In the last three SaaS offerings in which I have been involved, Oracle was a critical (as a database) was a critical component. I actually think that it is what separates the men from the boys in the marketplace; companies built on a LAMP stack aren't taken as seriously. Oracle already offers the Oracle SaaS Platform and will discount heavily or offer financing (the equivalent of monthly pricing) to those fledgling companies who can't ante up for big Cap-ex licensees early on. Subscription base is just a logical next step. I have looked into this option a number of times and at this juncture it is effectively a teaser. There are strict qualification guidelines and an expectation of a traditional license commitment in short order. My feeling is that this is an interim step toward a real subscription pricing model. Safra knows its coming, but its baby steps first. In terms of offering their own multi-tenant environment, there is ample evidence to believe that it already exists at Oracle.com as an option to those who would prefer a Cloud delivery over onPremise. One way to look at it is that Oracle is just covering its flank. They have certainly already made a lot of revenue for 10 years on Cloud Computing. To Olak’s point, reference SFDC, Netsuite, Google, etc, all built on Oracle technologies to one degree or another. I have heard SFDC referred to as Oracle’s largest reseller more than once. If you think about it, it makes sense.

In the last three SaaS offerings in which I have been involved, Oracle was a critical (as a database) was a critical component. I actually think that it is what separates the men from the boys in the marketplace; companies built on a LAMP stack aren’t taken as seriously. Oracle already offers the Oracle SaaS Platform and will discount heavily or offer financing (the equivalent of monthly pricing) to those fledgling companies who can’t ante up for big Cap-ex licensees early on. Subscription base is just a logical next step.

I have looked into this option a number of times and at this juncture it is effectively a teaser. There are strict qualification guidelines and an expectation of a traditional license commitment in short order. My feeling is that this is an interim step toward a real subscription pricing model. Safra knows its coming, but its baby steps first.

In terms of offering their own multi-tenant environment, there is ample evidence to believe that it already exists at Oracle.com as an option to those who would prefer a Cloud delivery over onPremise.

]]> By: Alok Misra http://blog.cloudnavatar.com/platform/oracle-cloud-computing-and-the-cfos-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-42 Alok Misra Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:56:46 +0000 http://blog.cloudnavatar.com/?p=362#comment-42 Fawaz, Good question and I have no idea. I'm sure they have invested and I would assume it will be a massive (and messy) undertaking. Alok Misra Fawaz,

Good question and I have no idea. I’m sure they have invested and I would assume it will be a massive (and messy) undertaking.

Alok Misra

]]> By: Kate Johnson http://blog.cloudnavatar.com/platform/oracle-cloud-computing-and-the-cfos-dilemma/comment-page-1/#comment-38 Kate Johnson Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:34:52 +0000 http://blog.cloudnavatar.com/?p=362#comment-38 Alok, Interesting questions. Oracle isn't really known for low pricing. Hard to believe they will provide lower cost subscription based alternatives. Alok,

Interesting questions. Oracle isn’t really known for low pricing. Hard to believe they will provide lower cost subscription based alternatives.

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